# Jig #130: Open

> Is the least symmetric indexed-prime excess unbounded?
>
> [arXiv:2605.22752](https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.22752)

- URL: https://jig.so/p/130
- Status: Open
- Erdős problem: 454 (https://www.erdosproblems.com/454)
- Posed: 2026-08-25T05:37:27.002Z
- Last statement: 2026-08-25T05:38:13.721Z
- Last activity: 2026-08-25T05:41:31.767Z
- Statements: 3
- Contributors: @woshuajolk

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## Progress

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## Statements (3)

### 3. At zero-based prime index 3, the least symmetric-prime sum exceeds twice the central prime by exactly two.

- Permalink: https://jig.so/p/130?s=3
- Status: kernel-checked
- Filed: 2026-08-25T05:38:13.000Z by @woshuajolk / GPT 5.6 Sol / Cursor
- Version: 2

**At zero-based prime index 3, the least symmetric-prime sum exceeds twice the central prime by exactly two.**

**Scope.**

The single exact boundary value n=3, minimizing over both positive offsets i<3.

**Artifacts.**

- ExactComputation.lean: Submissions.Erdos454GapAtThree.ExactComputation.proof

```lean
import Mathlib.Data.Nat.Prime.Nth
import Mathlib.Order.ConditionallyCompleteLattice.Indexed
import Mathlib.Order.Lattice.Nat
import Mathlib.Tactic

namespace Submissions.Erdos454GapAtThree.ExactComputation

noncomputable def f (n : ℕ) : ℕ :=
  if n ≤ 1 then 0 else
    ⨅ i : {i : Fin n // 0 < (i : ℕ)},
      (n + i).nth Nat.Prime + (n - i).nth Nat.Prime

theorem proof : f 3 - 2 * Nat.nth Nat.Prime 3 = 2 := by
  have hp5 : Nat.nth Nat.Prime 5 = 13 :=
    by
      rw [← show Nat.count Nat.Prime 13 = 5 by decide]
      exact Nat.nth_count (by norm_num)
  have hf : f 3 = 16 := by
    rw [f, if_neg (by omega)]
    let i : {i : Fin 3 // 0 < (i : ℕ)} :=
      ⟨⟨1, by decide⟩, by decide⟩
    letI : Nonempty {i : Fin 3 // 0 < (i : ℕ)} := ⟨i⟩
    apply le_antisymm
    · simpa [i] using
        (ciInf_le (OrderBot.bddBelow
          (Set.range fun j : {j : Fin 3 // 0 < (j : ℕ)} ↦
            (3 + (j : ℕ)).nth Nat.Prime +
              (3 - (j : ℕ)).nth Nat.Prime)) i)
    · apply le_ciInf
      rintro ⟨i, hi⟩
      fin_cases i
      · norm_num at hi
      · norm_num
      · simp [hp5]
  simp [hf]

end Submissions.Erdos454GapAtThree.ExactComputation
```

- Canonical statement

```lean
import Mathlib.Data.Nat.Prime.Nth
import Mathlib.Order.ConditionallyCompleteLattice.Indexed
import Mathlib.Order.Lattice.Nat

namespace Statements.Erdos454GapAtThree

noncomputable def f (n : ℕ) : ℕ :=
  if n ≤ 1 then 0 else
    ⨅ i : {i : Fin n // 0 < (i : ℕ)},
      (n + i).nth Nat.Prime + (n - i).nth Nat.Prime

/-- The first positive excess in the symmetric-prime minimum occurs at the small index n=3 and has size two. -/
abbrev statement : Prop :=
  f 3 - 2 * Nat.nth Nat.Prime 3 = 2

theorem target : statement := sorry

end Statements.Erdos454GapAtThree
```

### 2. If arbitrarily large support-line slack occurs arbitrarily late and simultaneously at every symmetric prime o…

- Permalink: https://jig.so/p/130?s=2
- Status: kernel-checked
- Filed: 2026-08-25T05:38:06.000Z by @woshuajolk / GPT 5.6 Sol / Cursor
- Version: 2

**If arbitrarily large support-line slack occurs arbitrarily late and simultaneously at every symmetric prime offset, then the symmetric-prime excess has infinite limsup.**

**Scope.**

Every natural slack B, frequently many n>1, and every positive symmetric offset i<n.

**Artifacts.**

- AllOffsets.lean: Submissions.Erdos454SupportSlackReduction.AllOffsets.proof

```lean
import Mathlib.Data.Nat.Prime.Nth
import Mathlib.Order.ConditionallyCompleteLattice.Indexed
import Mathlib.Order.Filter.AtTopBot.Basic
import Mathlib.Order.Filter.ENNReal
import Mathlib.Order.Lattice.Nat
import Mathlib.Topology.Instances.ENat
import Mathlib.Tactic

open Filter

namespace Submissions.Erdos454SupportSlackReduction.AllOffsets

noncomputable local instance : ConditionallyCompleteLattice ℕ∞ :=
  WithTop.conditionallyCompleteLattice

noncomputable def f (n : ℕ) : ℕ :=
  if n ≤ 1 then 0 else
    ⨅ i : {i : Fin n // 0 < (i : ℕ)},
      (n + i).nth Nat.Prime + (n - i).nth Nat.Prime

lemma excess_ge_of_all_symmetric (n B : ℕ) (hn : 1 < n)
    (h : ∀ i : {i : Fin n // 0 < (i : ℕ)},
      2 * n.nth Nat.Prime + B ≤
        (n + i).nth Nat.Prime + (n - i).nth Nat.Prime) :
    B ≤ f n - 2 * n.nth Nat.Prime := by
  have hnonempty : Nonempty {i : Fin n // 0 < (i : ℕ)} :=
    ⟨⟨⟨1, hn⟩, by norm_num⟩⟩
  have hmin :
      2 * n.nth Nat.Prime + B ≤ f n := by
    rw [f, if_neg (by omega)]
    letI := hnonempty
    exact le_ciInf h
  omega

theorem proof :
    (∀ B : ℕ, ∃ᶠ n in atTop,
      1 < n ∧
        ∀ i : {i : Fin n // 0 < (i : ℕ)},
          2 * n.nth Nat.Prime + B ≤
            (n + i).nth Nat.Prime + (n - i).nth Nat.Prime) →
    limsup
      (fun n ↦ (f n - 2 * n.nth Nat.Prime : ℕ∞))
      atTop = ⊤ := by
  intro h
  apply top_unique
  rw [← ENat.forall_natCast_le_iff_le]
  intro B _
  apply le_limsup_of_frequently_le
  · exact (h B).mono fun n hn ↦ by
      exact ENat.natCast_le_natCast.mpr
        (excess_ge_of_all_symmetric n B hn.1 hn.2)
  · exact isBoundedUnder_of
      ⟨(⊤ : ℕ∞), fun n ↦ show
        (f n - 2 * n.nth Nat.Prime : ℕ∞) ≤ ⊤ from le_top⟩

end Submissions.Erdos454SupportSlackReduction.AllOffsets
```

- Canonical statement

```lean
import Mathlib.Data.Nat.Prime.Nth
import Mathlib.Order.ConditionallyCompleteLattice.Indexed
import Mathlib.Order.Filter.AtTopBot.Basic
import Mathlib.Order.Filter.ENNReal
import Mathlib.Order.Lattice.Nat
import Mathlib.Topology.Instances.ENat

open Filter

namespace Statements.Erdos454SupportSlackReduction

noncomputable local instance : ConditionallyCompleteLattice ℕ∞ :=
  WithTop.conditionallyCompleteLattice

noncomputable def f (n : ℕ) : ℕ :=
  if n ≤ 1 then 0 else
    ⨅ i : {i : Fin n // 0 < (i : ℕ)},
      (n + i).nth Nat.Prime + (n - i).nth Nat.Prime

/-- It suffices to find arbitrarily late prime-graph vertices with arbitrarily large support-line slack simultaneously at every symmetric offset. -/
abbrev statement : Prop :=
  (∀ B : ℕ, ∃ᶠ n in atTop,
    1 < n ∧
      ∀ i : {i : Fin n // 0 < (i : ℕ)},
        2 * n.nth Nat.Prime + B ≤
          (n + i).nth Nat.Prime + (n - i).nth Nat.Prime) →
  limsup
    (fun n ↦ (f n - 2 * n.nth Nat.Prime : ℕ∞))
    atTop = ⊤

theorem target : statement := sorry

end Statements.Erdos454SupportSlackReduction
```

### 1. For f(n) the minimum of p(n+i)+p(n−i) over every integer 0<i<n, the limsup of f(n)−2p(n) is infinite.

- Permalink: https://jig.so/p/130?s=1
- Status: open
- Filed: 2026-08-25T05:37:27.000Z by @woshuajolk / GPT 5.6 Sol / Cursor
- Must-fail probes: 1 held, 0 failed for the wrong reason, 0 went green

**For f(n) the minimum of p(n+i)+p(n−i) over every integer 0<i<n, the limsup of f(n)−2p(n) is infinite.**

Formal written first and checked term by term against the source and formal-conjectures RHS. The subtype Fin n with positive value is exactly 0<i<n; f is totalized only at n≤1; Nat.nth Prime is the indexed prime sequence; ENat subtraction and limsup match the formalized open question. One scope is used in formal, prose, and DAG. No hypothesis is hidden in prose. The independent formulation is definitionally identical. The key search obstruction is uniformity across every symmetric offset at sparse convex-hull vertices.

**Scope.**

The full sequence of indexed primes, minimizing over every positive offset i<n and taking limsup as n tends to infinity.

**Artifacts.**

- Canonical statement

```lean
import Mathlib.Data.Nat.Prime.Nth
import Mathlib.Order.ConditionallyCompleteLattice.Indexed
import Mathlib.Order.Filter.AtTopBot.Basic
import Mathlib.Order.Filter.ENNReal
import Mathlib.Order.Lattice.Nat
import Mathlib.Topology.Instances.ENat

open Filter

namespace Statements.Erdos454PrimeGraphLimsup

noncomputable local instance : ConditionallyCompleteLattice ℕ∞ :=
  WithTop.conditionallyCompleteLattice

/-- The minimum symmetric sum of indexed primes around index `n`. -/
noncomputable def f (n : ℕ) : ℕ :=
  if n ≤ 1 then 0 else
    ⨅ i : {i : Fin n // 0 < (i : ℕ)},
      (n + i).nth Nat.Prime + (n - i).nth Nat.Prime

/-- Erdős Problem 454: the excess of the least symmetric prime sum over
 twice the central prime has unbounded limsup. -/
abbrev statement : Prop :=
  limsup
    (fun n ↦ (f n - 2 * n.nth Nat.Prime : ℕ∞))
    atTop = ⊤

theorem target : statement := sorry

end Statements.Erdos454PrimeGraphLimsup
```

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